{"id":69553,"date":"2021-07-06T17:43:15","date_gmt":"2021-07-06T22:43:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/?page_id=69553"},"modified":"2021-07-06T17:43:15","modified_gmt":"2021-07-06T22:43:15","slug":"post-shooting-procedures-for-the-active-killer-gunfight","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/?page_id=69553","title":{"rendered":"Post-Shooting Procedures for the Active Killer Gunfight"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In Colorado last week [June 22, 2021]\u00a0 an active killer shot a police officer and then began to fire his shotgun at other targets in the crowded downtown area.\u00a0 After running out of ammo, the killer then went to his vehicle and swapped his shotgun out for an AR-15 rifle and continued firing.<\/p>\n<p>An armed citizen saw what was going on and intervened, shooting the cop killer.\u00a0 The armed citizen closed distance on the down active killer and removed the rifle from the killer\u2019s hands.\u00a0 Other responding officers shot and killed the armed citizen, mistaking him for the active killer.<\/p>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">Read more about the incident at the linked articles below:<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2021\/06\/26\/man-who-shot-colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer\/?fbclid=IwAR2MoIrMGBnEbkQevVpbKhw6feCfOAhkPwWw7Yo1c1qqvHj33YDQ9AJH-14\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hero who stopped Colorado gunman shot dead by police in case of mistaken identity<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/us\/colorado-samaritan-gunman-cop-rifle?fbclid=IwAR0-blZnhqYQc9stS768kJwW-fFvctywWFB0V16UPf-_2JX1rgYnFgB2rRM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Colorado good \u2018Samaritan\u2019 who killed gunman fatally shot by cop while holding suspect\u2019s rifle, police say<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-tb_medium wp-image-32990\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost-620x420.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost-620x420.png 620w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost-300x203.png 300w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost-195x132.png 195w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost-600x406.png 600w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/26113312\/FireShot-Screen-Capture-039-Man-who-shot-Colorado-gunman-was-mistaken-by-police-to-be-killer-nypost.png 744w\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"406\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the statement from the local police chief:<\/p>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\"><em>\u201cAt 1:18 p.m., a call was received about a \u201csuspicious person\u201d in the Olde Town area by a teenager who said an older man made a noise and showed them a condom, police said. When Beesley arrived at the area, he parked in an alley and began walking. Troyke parked his truck in the same alley moments later.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cThe suspect got out of his truck with a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun, ran after Officer Beesley and yelled at him,\u201d police said. \u201cOfficer Beesley stopped, turned and immediately was shot twice by the suspect. Officer Beesley did not reach for his gun and takes no defensive action \u2013 he simply turns in response to the suspect who then shoots and kills him.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Troyke then shot out the windows of police patrol cars in the area and into the air, police said. He walked back to the truck and retrieved an AR-15, police said.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cThe suspect ran back towards the Olde Town Square with the long gun, where he was confronted by Mr. Hurley,\u201d the timeline said. \u201cMr. Hurley then shot the suspect with a handgun.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cA responding Arvada Police Officer then encountered Mr. Hurley, who was holding the suspect\u2019s AR-15,\u201d police wrote. \u201cThe officer shot him.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve written about the danger of being shot by responding officers after intervening in an active killer attack many times, but I\u2019ve never given precise guidelines about how to handle the post-shooting procedures in order to reduce the chance of being mistakenly killed.\u00a0 This article describes exactly what you should consider doing to keep from being killed by other first responders during an active killer attack.<\/p>\n<ul data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">\n<li><strong>As you move to the scene, keep your gun holstered or hidden<\/strong>.\u00a0 Remember, you may not be the only person hunting the killer.\u00a0 Don\u2019t confuse other CCW carriers, off duty cops, or uniformed officers.\u00a0 Put your hand on your holstered gun and draw when you are certain you can make a hit.\u00a0 Having the gun out before you can hit your target only places you in danger of being shot by another responder.<\/li>\n<li><strong>After you shoot and the killer is neutralized, don\u2019t keep pointing your gun at him<\/strong><em>.<\/em>\u00a0 Draw your gun back into a compressed ready position.\u00a0 Hide it with your off hand.\u00a0 Better yet, holster your gun.\u00a0 Keep your hand on the gun if you think you may still need it, but you don\u2019t want to be the guy pointing a gun around a pile of dead bodies when the cops arrive.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div id=\"attachment_32999\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"width: 625px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-32999\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204142\/active-shooter-response-cover.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204142\/active-shooter-response-cover.jpg 620w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204142\/active-shooter-response-cover-300x191.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204142\/active-shooter-response-cover-195x124.jpg 195w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204142\/active-shooter-response-cover-600x381.jpg 600w\" alt=\"\" width=\"625\" height=\"397\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-32999\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-32999\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This is probably not how you want to appear to police officers responding to an active shooter scene.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>If you think you need to cover the downed killer with your pistol, the killer probably needs to be shot again.<\/strong>\u00a0 In an active killer situation, I\u2019m going to shoot until the bad guy is no longer a threat.<br \/>\nIf you shoot him and he goes down, but keeps trying to shoot other people or access his weapons, HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT SOME MORE.\u00a0 If he has already killed other people and is not obeying your commands to drop his weapon, HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT SOME MORE.\u00a0 Solve the problem.\u00a0 Make sure the killer is no longer a threat and then holster your pistol.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Consider how you look to responding officers.<\/strong>\u00a0 In order from most threatening to least threatening you could be:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>-Aiming gun at the suspect<\/p>\n<p>-At a low ready position<\/p>\n<p>-At a high compressed ready (\u201cchest ready\u201d) or SUL position<\/p>\n<p>-Gun holstered.\u00a0 Hand on gun.<\/p>\n<p>-Gun holstered.\u00a0 Hands in the air.<\/p>\n<p>-Gun on the ground.\u00a0 Hands in the air.<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019ll ultimately have to decide which is the best position to adopt depending on your analysis of how dangerous the suspect remains or the presence of additional suspects.\u00a0 Just realize that the higher up on the list you appear when the cops arrive, the greater the chance that you will be shot.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_33000\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"width: 426px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-33000\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204221\/active-shooter-response-its-much-safer.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204221\/active-shooter-response-its-much-safer.jpg 320w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204221\/active-shooter-response-its-much-safer-279x300.jpg 279w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204221\/active-shooter-response-its-much-safer-181x195.jpg 181w\" alt=\"\" width=\"426\" height=\"458\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-33000\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-33000\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">With her hand on her holstered pistol, this CCW permit carrier looks a lot less threatening to responding officers but she is still prepared to re-engage if necessary.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_33001\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"width: 538px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-33001\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option.jpg 320w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option-300x188.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option-195x122.jpg 195w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option-200x125.jpg 200w, https:\/\/cdn.activeresponsetraining.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/27204322\/active-shooter-response-another-option-240x150.jpg 240w\" alt=\"\" width=\"538\" height=\"336\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-33001\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-33001\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">If you are afraid to holster the gun because further action seems imminent, bring the gun close to your body and cover it with the support hand. Get some cover as well.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">I personally like the idea of holstering your gun.\u00a0 In a recent online discussion, my friend (and amazing shooter) Kirk Clark commented that knowing you can make fast and accurate first shots from the holster allows you the ability to keep the gun less visible and decreases your chance of being shot by responding police.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s comforting knowing that if the bad guy becomes animated again, you could shoot him with your holstered firearm in less than a second.\u00a0 If you have superior drawing\/shooting skills you can afford to take the time to holster your weapon so as to appear less of a threat to responding cops.<\/p>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">What\u2019s your draw to first hit time with your CCW holster?\u00a0 If it\u2019s at or near two seconds or more, that may not be fast enough.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Don\u2019t approach the bad guy after you shoot.<\/strong>\u00a0 He may be playing dead, trying to lure you closer.\u00a0 He may have more than one gun.\u00a0 He my have explosives.\u00a0 There\u2019s nothing to gain and a lot to lose by approaching the down suspect.\u00a0 Stay away from him and keep other bystanders away as well.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Don\u2019t secure bad guy\u2019s gun<\/strong>\u00a0unless it\u2019s an imminent danger to other people or you need to leave the downed attacker to confront other killers.\u00a0 I can\u2019t think of too many occasions where that would be likely.\u00a0 The rules for handling the bad guy\u2019s gun are the same for handling your own weapon.\u00a0 Again, you don\u2019t want to be the dude with a gun in his hand (no matter if it\u2019s yours or his) standing over a bunch of dead bodies when the cops show up.There\u2019s no need to secure the bad guy\u2019s weapon if he is dead or unconscious.\u00a0 If he\u2019s not dead or unconscious and is still handling the weapon, HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT SOME MORE.\u00a0 Shoot him again if he needs to be shot.\n<p>There are no tactical advantages for disarming the killer if he is truly incapacitated, yet your efforts to disarm him may be what gets you shot by responding cops.\u00a0 The juice isn\u2019t worth the squeeze.<\/p>\n<p>Think about this particular case.\u00a0 Our CCW rescuer dramatically increased his chances of being shot by the cops while he had a long gun in his hands.\u00a0 The responding cops don\u2019t know that you are the good guy attempting to unload a murder weapon.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Consider the \u201coptics\u201d of responding with a long gun<\/strong>.\u00a0 I regularly hear folks talking about getting their \u201ctruck gun\u201d before intervening.\u00a0 Some folks carry folding stock AR-style \u201cpistols\u201d in sling bags while out in public.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a very good idea.<br \/>\nWhile using a long gun gives you a tactical advantage as compared to responding using your concealed handgun, it also makes you much more likely to be shot by the cops.\u00a0 Even amped up and poorly trained cops know that there are lots of \u201cgood guys\u201d packing CCW pistols.\u00a0 There are comparatively few CCW carriers who run around public areas with a long gun.\u00a0 Like it or not, long gun in public = \u201cbad guy\u201d in most cops\u2019 brains.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Be ready for police.<\/strong>\u00a0 The cops are coming and they are coming in fast.\u00a0 Watch for them and be ready to be ordered to drop your gun and get down on the ground.\u00a0 Do exactly what the officer tells you to do.\u00a0 You\u2019ll most likely be disarmed, handcuffed, and searched.\u00a0 Keep as calm as you can.\u00a0 Don\u2019t argue, debate, or explain the facts to the responding cops.\u00a0 Just do what they say.\u00a0 You will be cuffed and treated like a criminal for a few minutes until the cops figure out what\u2019s happening.If you are sure the killer is no longer a threat, it may be safer to place your gun on the ground instead of holstering it.\u00a0 After you take care of business, put your gun on the ground.\u00a0 Stand on it to keep it better secured.\u00a0 Get your hands up and be ready to follow the responding cops\u2019 orders.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Find a better position.<\/strong>\u00a0 After the shooting stops, look for a better position.\u00a0 Ideally, you want a position that provides you with cover from both the down bad guy AND from likely avenues of police response.\u00a0 Getting cover between you and the responding cops allows everyone a few more seconds to best evaluate the situation before acting.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Manage the 911 call.<\/strong>\u00a0 If there are other people in the area, some of them will be on the phone with police.\u00a0 Instruct the callers to tell police that an armed CCW carrier is on the scene.\u00a0 Have the callers give dispatch a good description of you and the fact that you are NOT the suspect.\u00a0 Tell the caller to relay the fact that you are waiting for the cops and will comply with their orders when they arrive.<\/li>\n<li><strong>If you have time, gather a \u201cwelcoming committee.<\/strong>\u201d\u00a0 Gather one or more bystanders.\u00a0 Tell them what\u2019s happening.\u00a0 Instruct them to find responding officers, provide your description and tell them that you are a \u201cgood guy.\u201dThe \u201cwelcoming committee\u201d watches your back and informs police about what happened while you keep your eyes on the killer.\u00a0If you can find someone who is willing to physically place his\/her own body between you and the likely avenue of police approach in order to intercept responding cops, your chance of being shot by the cops is dramatically reduced.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">As cops are arriving on scene,\u00a0 they are quickly trying to get \u201cfeel\u201d for what\u2019s going on.\u00a0 They are comparing what they see to what dispatch has told them is happening.\u00a0 They are quickly talking to people to find out where the suspect(s) and victim(s) are.\u00a0 Doing all this while knowing you might be the next victim, makes many elements of this response sequence overwhelming for the responding cops.<\/p>\n<p data-slot-rendered-dynamic=\"true\">The cops are operating on limited information and an intuition about what is happening.\u00a0 They are primarily looking for suspects.\u00a0 It\u2019s in your best interest to not look like one.\u00a0 Don\u2019t stand there with a gun in hand.<\/p>\n<p>Look like a \u201chelper\u201d instead.\u00a0 Do what you can to provide assistance.\u00a0 Instruct people to call 911.\u00a0 Keep people away from the bad guy.\u00a0 Move people to cover.\u00a0 Get people away from potential threats.\u00a0 Start providing medical care to the injured.\u00a0\u00a0 Looking like a \u201chelper\u201d and not looking like a \u201csuspect\u201d is what will minimize the chances of your being shot by either responding officers or another CCW carrier.<\/p>\n<p>In a horrible event like an active killer scene, your gun will seem like the most important piece of life saving equipment you can hold on to. It is exactly that, until the cops arrive. At some point in the engagement, the gun will do more to put you in danger than it will to protect you against the killer(s). Recognize that fact and don\u2019t be seen standing over a pile of dead bodies with your pistol out and at the ready.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Colorado last week [June 22, 2021]\u00a0 an active killer shot a police officer and then began to fire his shotgun at other targets in the crowded downtown area.\u00a0 After running out of ammo, the killer then went to his vehicle and swapped his shotgun out for an AR-15 rifle and continued firing. An armed &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/?page_id=69553\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Post-Shooting Procedures for the Active Killer Gunfight&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-69553","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/69553","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=69553"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/69553\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":69555,"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/69553\/revisions\/69555"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=69553"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}