{"id":73173,"date":"2021-10-14T06:56:37","date_gmt":"2021-10-14T11:56:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/?p=73173"},"modified":"2021-10-14T06:56:37","modified_gmt":"2021-10-14T11:56:37","slug":"73173","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/milesfortis.com\/?p=73173","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redstate.com\/bonchie\/2021\/10\/13\/joe-rogan-interviews-sanjay-gupta-and-a-train-wreck-ensues-n456531\">Joe Rogan Interviews Sanjay Gupta and a Train Wreck Ensues<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Joe Rogan has found himself at the center of a debate over the COVID-19 vaccines, despite never presenting himself as anti-vaccine. His great sin was daring to get treated for the virus after contracting it earlier this year. The fact that Rogan\u2019s doctor\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/redstate.com\/nick-arama\/2021\/09\/03\/liberal-talking-point-about-joe-rogan-and-ivermectin-gets-blown-up-from-unexpected-source-n437937\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">included ivermectin<\/a>\u00a0in the medicinal regime\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/redstate.com\/brandon_morse\/2021\/09\/07\/do-i-have-to-sue-joe-rogan-slams-cnn-over-spreading-lies-about-his-covid-treatment-n439224\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sent heads exploding<\/a>, as he was accused of taking \u201chorse dewormer\u201d amid other unfair, out-of-context claims.<\/p>\n<p>Today, though, Rogan got a bit of redemption by running circles around CNN\u2019s chief COVID hysteric, Sanjay Gupta. You may recall Gupta as the same guy who touted Chris Cuomo\u2019s COVID X-ray, only to be embarrassing fact-checked by actual radiologists.<\/p>\n<p>During the long-form discussion with Rogan, there were several key moments that showed just how out of his element Gupta was. Here\u2019s one of them.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Not one media personality &#8211; trust me I\u2019ve faced down almost all of them personally &#8211; can withstand even basic Socratic inquiry. They are idiots. This is why they almost never do long form discussions. This is what happens \ud83d\udc47 <\/p>\n<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7EqbwtDU3B\">pic.twitter.com\/7EqbwtDU3B<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Cernovich (@Cernovich) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Cernovich\/status\/1448430352133804032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 13, 2021<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>What Rogan is doing in the above clip is showing the absurdity by which COVID hysterics shift their viewpoints to meet what ultimately boils down to a political narrative. Because he wants to insist the vaccines are highly effective, Gupta presents himself as not worried about a breakthrough infection.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s fair enough, but Rogan counters by noting that children are even more\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/10\/12\/briefing\/covid-age-risk-infection-vaccine.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">statistically protected<\/a>\u00a0from COVID than vaccinated adults, yet Gupta presents a far bleaker view of parents who likewise recognize that reality and don\u2019t want to vaccine their children.<\/p>\n<p>For a full two minutes, Rogan presses Gupta to address the disparity in how he treats the two similar situations, and the CNN doctor has no answer. At one point, he quips about getting a booster, again completely missing the point Rogan is making.<\/p>\n<div class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\"><iframe id=\"twitter-widget-1\" class=\"\" title=\"Twitter Tweet\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/embed\/Tweet.html?dnt=true&amp;embedId=twitter-widget-1&amp;features=eyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19&amp;frame=false&amp;hideCard=false&amp;hideThread=false&amp;id=1448431858585329665&amp;lang=en&amp;origin=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2021%2F10%2F13%2Fjoe-rogan-interviews-sanjay-gupta-and-a-train-wreck-ensues-n456531&amp;sessionId=fcca16ece0a71c5a6951033b29045219657ae5a1&amp;siteScreenName=RedState&amp;theme=light&amp;widgetsVersion=fcb1942%3A1632982954711&amp;width=550px\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-tweet-id=\"1448431858585329665\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>At another point during the clip, Gupta is noncommittal in even admitting that children are at a lower risk than vaccinated adults from COVID, again seeming to be fearful of saying anything that could come across as questioning the efficacy of the vaccines. But that\u2019s silly, considering the vaccines can be highly effective at preventing serious illness, while still not being as effective, compared to the nearly non-existent risk in children. That\u2019s not a knock on the vaccines.<\/p>\n<p>This is the kind of obfuscation I\u2019ve addressed in the past, and I believe it actually hurts the case of those who religiously push the vaccines. Just be honest with people, including about things like\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/redstate.com\/bonchie\/2021\/09\/10\/dr-fauci-is-finally-asked-about-natural-immunity-and-now-i-want-to-punch-a-wall-n441237\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">natural immunity<\/a>\u00a0and the risks to children. People are more likely to respect that approach and believe your assertions on other demographics being in more danger, if you just tell them the truth about everything. Instead, we get this weird cultish behavior where any recognition that 1) natural immunity exists or 2) that the vaccines are not absolutely perfect is seen as heresy.<\/p>\n<p>Later, Gupta and Rogan shared a discussion on gain-of-function research that went much smoother, with Gupta actually being upfront about the NIH\u2019s splicing of language and how they try to claim they weren\u2019t funding it. He also shared his skepticism regarding China\u2019s behavior, their destruction of evidence, and the fact that COVID-19 very well could have started in a lab.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ratio ratio-16x9\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Questions Around Gain of Function Research\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/IaT0WOwEag4?feature=oembed\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>All in all, despite the rough moments for Gupta, the discussion was a step in the right direction. These kinds of blunt conversations are far more illuminating and helpful than two-minute yelling sessions on cable news. Gupta actually seems to come out of his narrative shell a bit at times, and that\u2019s something you never see him do on CNN.<\/p>\n<p>Lastly, props to Rogan for continuing to push the envelope. There\u2019s a reason he\u2019s got the top podcast in the world<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joe Rogan Interviews Sanjay Gupta and a Train Wreck Ensues Joe Rogan has found himself at the center of a debate over the COVID-19 vaccines, despite never presenting himself as anti-vaccine. His great sin was daring to get treated for the virus after contracting it earlier this year. 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